1. Hero way
When GM asks to roll Perception you can use Awareness (so you can use Karma). But you need players that know (so better to explain to them first), that if they dont "see" anything (GM asks for Awareness, all roll low), they shouldnt be declairing searching. Because its players that know something was to find, not the characters.2. GM secrets
GM roll Awareness for players not telling them, no Karma.I used both of them, my players have more fun with option 1. For many 2. will be better option, they just wont be able to roleplay as they dont know that shit is going to happen.
Statistics:Posted by RazanMG — Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:58 pm
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Statistics:Posted by Lys — Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:49 pm
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Lys wrote:The Awareness talent/skill is probably one of the best improvements that ED4 made to the game in terms of playability, precisely because it allows you to use it as a passive ability. Beforehand with Search and the various Detect X skills you had to be actively searching for stuff in order to benefit from the talent, and spend strain while you were at it as well. This would slow down the game immensely as your Scout or Thief would have to actively make a Search/Detect rolls every time she thought there might be something amiss, and it could be very frustrating to see her health would drain away with nothing to show for it. It was one of the things that greatly frustrated my group during our Kaer crawl. Now there's no need, and the GM can feel free to just call for Awareness checks when there's actually something interesting in sight. The GM can deal with the Adept not actively looking around or being distracted by just adding a penalty to the Awareness roll. It's all so much faster and more fun.
Can you always spend Karma on an awareness test, even if it is passive?On the one hand, you are always allowed to spend karma on discipline talents. On the other hand, Awareness is sometimes passive.
My gut reaction is that if you are searching for something or specifically stated that you are keeping an eye out for certain things, you can spend a Karma. If you are just walking along in the nth hour of a hike and the GM calls for perception tests, I would think that you could use awareness, but not awareness plus Karma.
Thoughts?
Statistics:Posted by ChrisDDickey — Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:55 pm
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Tattered Rags wrote:Every movie or show ever where a character attempts to placate a beast reaches their hand out to touch the animal's head and says, "Easy, girl, easy. I'm not gonna hurt'chya." Sometimes they get bitten, sometimes not. This is Animal Bonding.
Except Crocodile Dundee. He does that thing with his hand and makes that noise.
Regarding Dominate Beast, it could be a reasonable assumption to say that a Dominated animal cannot be Bonded with as their minds are not completely their own.
Or not, it's probably not a big deal, and the rules don't day anything about it.
We always considered Dundee to be using Dominate Beast because he's hypnotizing it.Except Crocodile Dundee. He does that thing with his hand and makes that noise.
Regarding Dominate Beast, it could be a reasonable assumption to say that a Dominated animal cannot be Bonded with as their minds are not completely their own.
Or not, it's probably not a big deal, and the rules don't day anything about it.
Statistics:Posted by etherial — Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:32 am
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Need an example? Go ahead and search for "thread" (as in magic) using the forum search feature. The forum is only a few months old, and "thread" is already 'too common' to receive any search feedback. That makes anthology forum threads with roaming topics like this far less useful. At least with individual forum posts, someone could scan titles to see if something applies.
Food for thought. Support this idea? Then abandon this thread, post a new topic with your 'simple' or 'dumb' question with a meaningful topic title. =)
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:32 am
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I would be inclined to have an animal that was subject to Dominate Beast have their attitude negatively shifted toward the person dominating them, which could make using Animal Bond harder.
In general (for me), the assumption is that a wild animal (as opposed to a standard dog, horse, etc) is probably Unfriendly toward the adept, and the talent shifts that up one step to Neutral. If the animal is more negatively inclined... I would bring to bear a need for extra successes. (On top of any that might be needed as a result of traits like Willful.)
This is mainly because of the how the talents reflect two potential approaches you are likely to see in Beastmasters; those who seek to dominate and control animals, and those who want to build positive relationships with them.
Statistics:Posted by Mataxes — Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:57 am
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Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:23 am
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Except Crocodile Dundee. He does that thing with his hand and makes that noise.
Regarding Dominate Beast, it could be a reasonable assumption to say that a Dominated animal cannot be Bonded with as their minds are not completely their own.
Or not, it's probably not a big deal, and the rules don't say anything about it.
Statistics:Posted by Tattered Rags — Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:52 am
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If this sounds good, I'd recommend talking with your player and asking if they're willing to accept this house rule. Retroactive changes to Talents/Skills always suck, especially for Option Talents or Skills, because a player may not have gotten said Talent/Skill, or invested in it as heavily, given that change. However, Earthdawn is really about telling an interesting story, which requires building drama, and danger/risk is an important part of that recipe. Being forced to put your hands on a hostile creature that could snap your skull in twain if your fail is MUCH for exciting that staring a hostile creature down from across an massive field or on the other side of a fine-mesh fence.
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:30 am
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But if it is as intended I'll accept that and keep it as a learning experience with the system.
Statistics:Posted by PiXeL01 — Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:41 am
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Slimcreeper wrote:I used to play with this one warrior who would talent spam Melee Weapons until the opponents stopped fighting back. I was like, "Thank you very munchkin, dude."
Might wanna go back and reread your manual man. Pretty sure all Talents are limited to either once per day or once per year and a day. 
Statistics:Posted by The Undying — Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:34 pm
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Kosmit wrote:...there is this grey area like lockpicking or research that you can spam until success...
You can't spam Research. If you fail, it means you didn't find anything. You have to come up with a new tactic in order to reroll (like this time asking the librarian, or something).Failed lockpicking doesn't always have a consequence, but it takes time. Guards could wander by, traps set off, or even the lock broken if really bad failure.
Statistics:Posted by Tattered Rags — Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:34 pm
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Some talents have limit, some would be useless with a limit (imagine a fight with only one melee weapons and damage test allowed xD Quick but boring) and there is this grey area like lockpicking or research that you can spam until success...
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