Statistics:Posted by Telarus — Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:11 pm
Well, you have for example to use Thread Weaving(nethermancy) to attune and weave threads to nethermancer spells. I, too, assume that you are only able to weave threads to your own spells -although IIRC there is be a knack to share spell thread weaving between magicians. Multi-discipline spells (is it still a thing in ED4?) are a different matter entirely, and, to be frank, I don't remember well how they worked. But it's in Magic: ..., so I can take a look if necessary.Bonhumm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:48 pmI always assumed the 'thread weaving of the correct discipline' requirement applied on the spell itself but I have to admit I cannot find any written rule clearly stating that so it could be argued that the the 'spell matrix attuned by someone else' would indeed allow a caster to cast a spells from any discipline. This would also mean the same would apply to casting from grimoire (as long as its a spell with no thread).
I doubt very much, however, that this was the intent of the developers. Casters would just pile on matrix objects and I don't think the whole 'casters of different discipline don't share with others' would hold against 'I'll scratch your back if you starch mine'.
Yes, and it never was. Spell crafting is, summoning is, but spell casting isn't.
Yes, there are some "magical" actions that don't need the "magician gene". Alchemy is an example.Slimcreeper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:26 pmWhat would be interesting _to me_ is a class of equipment that was activated using spell casting. Like a self-packing backpack or bookshelves enchanted to organize and shelve books. spell casting working almost like engine programming in 1879 for items with complex enchantments.
Statistics:Posted by wiztigers — Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:18 am
Arguably, this does not require 'magic' per say, only skill. (Which may be why it isn't a talent.) Specifically all of the magic involved comes from the ingredients, not the person doing it. FWIW, the same is true in SR. Artificing (The SR equivalent to alchemy) can beused by anyone, including mundanes. Interestingly, they can even design spell formula, and a few up the best spell designers in the world actually are mundanes who just seem to have an 'eye for it.'
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Statistics:Posted by Slimcreeper — Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:26 pm
Could you tell me where (page) this is described in the first edition book? Although I agree the wording of 4th edition ('a' matrix' instead of 'his' matrix) could be interpreted like that, this would imply that any caster could re-attune any other casters matrices at will; this would be a rather big issue in combat.wiztigers wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:37 pmWell, it's not "mine". First, as I said, this technique was explicitely described in a 1st ed. sourcebook. Second, you interpret it as you like at your table, of course, but even in ED4 the section about casting from a spell matrix specifies that the character casts from his/her matrix. However, in the same chapter, the section about reattuning mainly says "a matrix".
which is why I also said:wiztigers wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:37 pmCasting from their own grimoire is not possible for non-magicians, as they can't use Patterncraft (or the read & write magic talent in previous editions) to copy the spell formula in the first place. Casting from a grimoire belonging to someone else requires Patterncraft, too (or the appropriate thread weaving talent in previous editions) to attune. So non-magicians are out in both cases.
Bonhumm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:33 amAlso, the character could not learn new spells since Read and Write Magic is a talent only ability and there's the whole question of how would someone even manage to cast from grimoire if he cannot read the spell at all (since he does not have Read and Write Magic).
That's.... an interesting concept. I always assumed the 'thread weaving of the correct discipline' requirement applied on the spell itself but I have to admit I cannot find any written rule clearly stating that so it could be argued that the the 'spell matrix attuned by someone else' would indeed allow a caster to cast a spells from any discipline. This would also mean the same would apply to casting from grimoire (as long as its a spell with no thread).wiztigers wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:37 pmIf reattuning a spell matrix (object) belonging to someone else works, all magicians can already cast spells from any discipline ... provided the spell has no threads, and provided they find someone to attune their matrix. The last part is the main problem, because there are little sharing between magicians of different disciplines (finding a master for a second magician discipline is hard, learning spells with versatility is hard, and so on). But it's not impossible : that's why I said mundane spellcasting required teamwork and foresight.
Statistics:Posted by Bonhumm — Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:48 pm
Well, it's not "mine".
Not even.
It doesn't at all.Bonhumm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:33 amFinally; this would make someone using Spellcasting as a skill more proficient than someone using Spellcasting as a talent: why could a 'skill' caster be able to cast spells from any and all casting Discipline while a 'real' caster could only cast spells from his own Discipline? Why does the 'need to know the appropriate thread weaving talent' requirement disappear for 'skill casters'?
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